Jon Stewart is my favourite news show.
he’s just a crack up! :)
Now if I hadn’t watched that snippet….I’d have never known Barack was a pimp and a bisexual.
Things you’d only ever expect to learn on Fox.
What the ????
I’m still not sure if those two guys are for real - or just joining in the “fun”. I only checked out the second guy - who looks like the real James David Manning who is described as ” the energetic and visionary pastor of the ATLAH World Missionary Church located in ATLAH, New York ” on their church website. If this is satire, I don’t know why a minister would be involved ?
Then again, they might be completely right about Obama - when all along I thought it was our own Kevin Rudd who was the beast ;)
Those EU guys in Brussels will be heaving a sigh of relief that the AntiChrist tag is off them for the moment!
To be fair, Obama set himself up right and proper for 666 status by promising that the sealevels would fall and the planet begin to heal with his inauguration.
How’s that going by the way? Haven’t dipped my toe in the water lately.
Oh yes - and Stephen Colbert is very very funny. I wanted to link his interview last year with NT Wright, but I couldn’t find it, more’s the pity. I belief he is quite a faithful mass-attending Roman Catholic.
Oh yes - and Stephen Colbert is very very funny. I wanted to link his interview last year with NT Wright, but I couldn’t find it, more’s the pity. I believe he is quite a faithful mass-attending Roman Catholic.
Here is what someone posted about that interview :
“The Bishop’s theology sounds in line with what I read in Scripture. The “Pie-in-the-sky-by-and-by” theology I was taught as a child stops short of what God really has in mind for us - not a dead end at some glitzy Las Vegas-style resort, but a pit stop on the way to the REAL work. I’m glad to add this book to my reading list. And I’m also (as an Anglican) so THANKFUL to hear an Anglican bishop speaking on sound Christ-centered, Biblical theology! Since Colbert (the real off-stage guy) is a Christian, I’m betting they had another more indepth conversation in the green room after the show.”
Jeremy, surely you meant Stephen Colbairé heheheee ....i try not to miss Stephen nor Jon if I can ;)
Stewarts still my favourite of the two and have been following his antics for years.
I’d like to take the opportunity to throw this one in as it’s a laugh while also reflects my opinion on a few things. Stewart &Maher; interview x2
Obama and the antichrist get a mention so I don’t think it too far off thread ;)
Pallin gets a pasteing heheheeee ...united stupids of america is a good line also.
The USA has so much potential but lets not go there :rolleyes: .....never forget my good wife is a yank after all. :rolleyes:
BELIEF WATCH by Lisa Miller Is Obama the Antichrist ?
The winning lottery number in Illinois was 666, which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast.
Published Nov 15, 2008 From the magazine issue dated Nov 24, 2008
On Nov. 5, Todd Strandberg was at his desk, fielding E-mails from around the world. As the editor and founder of RaptureReady.com, his job is to track current events and link them to biblical prophecy in hopes of maintaining his status as “the eBay of prophecy,” the best source online for predictions and calculations concerning the end of the world. Already Barack Obama had drawn the attention of apocalypse watchers after an anonymous e-mail circulated among conservative Christians in October implying that he was the Antichrist. Former “Saturday Night Live” ingénue Victoria Jackson fueled the fire when, according to news reports, she wrote on her Web site that Obama “bears traits that resemble the anti-Christ.” Now Strandberg was receiving up-to-the-minute news from his constituents in Illinois. One of the winning lottery numbers in the president-elect’s home state was 666— which, as everyone knows, is the sign of the Beast (also known as the Antichrist). “It is very eerie, and I take it for a sign as to who he really is,” wrote one of Strandberg’s correspondents.
Ever since Jesus Christ was crucified and, according to the Gospels, rose again in glory, his followers have been anticipating the end of history—the time when their Lord will return to earth and reign for a thousand years. The question has always been when. Most Christians don’t worry about the end too much; it’s an abstract concept, a theological puzzle for late-night pondering. A few, however, have always believed that it is coming—and soon. Millennialist movements, as they’re called, gain prominence especially when the world grows chaotic, during wars and at the turn of every century. According to a 2006 study by the Pew Forum on Religion & Public Life, a third of white evangelicals believe the world will end in their lifetimes. These mostly conservative Christians believe a great battle is imminent. After years of tribulation—natural disasters, other cataclysms (such as the collapse of financial markets)—God’s armies will vanquish armies led by the Antichrist himself. He will be a sweet-talking world leader who gathers governments and economies under his command to further his own evil agenda. In this world view, “the spread of secular progressive ideas is a prelude to the enslavement of mankind,” explains Richard Landes, former director of the Center for Millennial Studies at Boston University.
No wonder, then, that Obama triggers such fear in the hearts of America’s millennialist Christians. Mat Staver, dean of Liberty University’s law school, says he does not believe Obama is the Antichrist, but he can see how others might. Obama’s own use of religious rhetoric belies his liberal positions on abortion and traditional marriage, Staver says, positions that “religious conservatives believe will threaten their freedom.” The people who believe Obama is the Antichrist are perhaps jumping to conclusions, but they’re not nuts: “They are expressing a concern and a fear that is widely shared,” Staver says.
Before Christ comes again, those who are saved will ascend to heaven, according to this end-times theology, in a huge, upward whoosh called the Rapture. Strandberg is so certain that the Rapture is coming, he’s bought a number of Internet addresses in addition to RaptureReady: AntiAntichrist, Tribulationus and RaptureMe. In the event that RaptureReady crashes during the apocalypse, anyone who needs an update will, with a simple Google search, be able to get one. Strandberg says Obama probably isn’t the Antichrist, but he’s watching the president-elect carefully. On his Web site, he has something called the Rapture Index, a calculation based on signs and prophecy of the proximity of the end. According to Strandberg, any number over 160 means “fasten your seat belts.” Obama’s win pushed the index to 161.
quote “Such intellectual commentary from the USA ..... makes me so happy to be an Aussie ;)”
Hear! hear!
I have a pretty steady stream of americans rep and democrats alike come to visit here. I listened to my wife’s elderly aunty last year telling me how all the boys in the family have done so well out of the military re-ed schemes after their service here and there over the decades and how it has been the mainstay of the families getting established and how it even carrys through in all they do. She then went on to tell me about how the rapture is imminent ...and she knows she will see it in her life time because her minister had told her.
She isn’t unusual in my wifes family ...another side of the family exposed my kids to speaking in tongues when my daughters were there in the 70’s aged about 11 and 7. I wasn’t very happy when I found out but they said they take their children all the time to these functions/meetings.
Family is scattered all over from Cal to Kentucky, Texas to Illinois ...so it ain’t a bible belt thing I don’t delieve but seemingly all the religious groups are a little extreme or outspoken in their beliefs which I find a little strange when they won’t hear your side at all….just won’t hear it!!
Article from: Reuters From correspondents in Tehran March 04, 2009 07:44pm
IRAN’S top authority said US President Barack Obama was pursuing the same “wrong path” as George W. Bush in supporting Israel and described the Jewish state as a “cancerous tumour”.
The comments by Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, who has the final say on all policy in Iran, are likely to disappoint the new US administration which has been seeking to engage Iran but has called on Tehran to “unclench its fist”.
“Even the new president of America, who has come to power with slogans about changing Bush’s policies, is defending state terrorism by talking about unconditional commitment to Israel’s security,” Khamenei told a conference on the Palestinian issue in Tehran.
Khamenei also said Mr Obama was following the same “wrong path” of his predecessor in the White House.
The United States has long called on Iran to end its opposition to peace-making in the Middle East and stop supporting organisations like Lebanon’s Hezbollah and the Palestinian Hamas group that Washington considers terrorist.
No one complained when the Israeli govt were supporting and growing Hamas when it came out of Egypt in the early days.
and wasn’t it the USA who gave the ground to air missiles to Mujaheddin (oops) in the first place (8000 I’d heard) (.....anyone remember Rambo )
backing Iraq against Iran and then a few years on invading the ally was a bit much.
all this crap goes wrong in the end doesn’t it ......they ought to keep their hands out of everyone elses chaff bags. Fiddle, fiddle, fiddle until the wheels drop off. Clowns!
Michael, yes it was the USA who gave the ground to air missiles to the Mujaheddin.
You say Oops.
I don’t. I don’t know anyone else who does. Those weapons were used to fight an invading army from a power which held a huge portion of the world in a tyrannical empire governed by an atheist ideology.
Are you sugesting that in hindsight communism was just cool, and the USA and its allies should have let the Soviet Union overrun the country?
If you are not saying that, then what you saying?
Also, can you elaborate on the support you say the Israeli Govt gave Hamas? Weapons? Money? Stuffed ballot boxes? I’m not aware of any of this. It would be a curious thing the Israelis supporting a party which advocated their own extermination. Surely this calls for more detail….
Alan, I don’t think Communism is kewl. I do think man is greedy though.
The Afghan Govt of the time asked Russian in to control the warlords who have been doing their own family security since the Egytians. Badakhshan in northern Afghanistan was where all the prized blue in egyptian art works came from ......these people have been dealing with aggressive neighbours forever…..and I don’t think in their isolated situation they saw much difference between one or the other .....they all want their stuff.
The CIA undermined this by supplying the people with ground to air missiles and drove the Russian out as we all know.
This great interest in Afghanistan is also due to Iran not playing the game, Afghanistan is the only easement for a pipe oil left in the sth end of the Caspian.
The rest of it is window dressing as far as I’m concerned. Russia warlords are no different to the Wests warlords.
We could discuss this for hours .....there is good and bad in both .....no one noticed the Taliban was commended by the UN for reducing afghani poppys production to nearly zero during this time. Afghanistan, Opium and the Taliban
In 98 thru ‘01 I was a part time counsellor (no training other than previously having experiences with a smack attack of my own) ....at the time I was called in to help you could buy a cap of smack for $30 of what we called chinawhite (it was from Burma but the glut was caused by the massive amount around the world .....then in 2001 it was like the tap was turned off.
But lots of our kids died in those few years, it was as if an epidemic went through ....not much media about it against how horrid it was in my memory.
Lots of different explanations ......but the facts that I do know of those years was the zero crop in afghanistan in 2001 after years of good crops.
You figure it out ......it’s all gone back to big production again.
the only really doing anything sensible about the problem got cruise missiled I recall.
......and now I see they are using the Taliban principles again to get control of some of Pakistan .....and is OK with the West in this case but wasn’t when they were eradicating poppies :rolleyes: ....I can’t figure it out myself .....I’m just going by what I see going on around me.
Back to the Mujaheddin .....I see the Indian govt is fighting the Mujaheddin in what the english call Kashmir .......know whos side are we on here…..it’s a toughie ;)
Then the terrorists who shot the cricketers .....were they Tamils I ask myself but see nothing in the paper yet??? and if they were ....is that a just war in SriLanka??? .......lots of Tamil kids adopted out in aus as they are driven from their native land (I know a few families that adopted these Tamil refugee kids)
It’s a big mess :(
Then there is the Hamas question. Israel’s Hamas
This situation isn’t unlike the Mujaheddin, in as much as early support helped establish their own enemy.
All I’m suggesting is that we all ought to look about and not be so easily led by our media .....and think for yourself.
Israels handling of itself in the UN is something I watch ......they maintain this fact that they are not the aggressor in all this .......and is why they will not have to pull back from the lands they have taken over and above the original plan .....this is international law that an aggressor must pull back .......and why this is so imperative to Israel in the scheme of things that they are never listed as the aggressor in the UN.
wish I was better at this explaining ........but google away and you will see what I’m on about .....manipulation of these international laws is the bit I hate the most. (I’ll come back to this in the israel thread if you like)
We have quite a bit of dinner time discussion on this stuff in our home .....and the concensus was in the run up to the USA election that neither the Dems nor the Reps wanted the job heheheheee .......Dems put up a women and a black guy .....Reps put up the oldest guy they could find and a barbie from alaska.
Obvious neither wanted the job. heheheeee
Anyway we here all applauded the outcome .......but I do think Barack has taken on the biggest mess in modern history and I’m just glad he sees it as a challenge and an opportunity to straighten out a few things.
I wish him the best :)
ps ...Alan, the Oops was actually there as the first word I edited as i had it wrong ...I’m not a dab hand at this keyboard and I do it hard and I certainly make no excuses BUT hehehehheeeee ......I forgot to come back and take the Oops out .....won’t happen again :rolleyes:
...please forgive me ;)
I’d like to comment on Obamas removing the ban on govt funding of stem cell research in the USA.
Redirect me please if we should be on a new or other thread…..I have seen comment about this but maybe more inappropriate than this.
I’ve said before that I tend to go with my cousin Ed Sculls advise that Bushes veto of funds is damaging to the research and so have never agreed. I do not completely understand all this but realise it’s about not discarding fertilised embrios but using them for stem cell research. This I don’t have a problem with but I understand some here may.
I only see my neighbour who’s wife asked me to visit often as he is 83 and just come from having a calfs valve installed in his heart ......(.a cheapie calf valve .....not a plastic one). Calf valve will outlive the rest of the outfit he was told.
Apparently this calf valve is treated and coated with a stem cell fluid that stops it being rejected.
Keith and I sat there in his kitchen yesterday and chatted about this and that ........he and I decided that if we were a feotus a few hours old and looking like going down the dunny ........we’d rather have some parts of us make the long journey to this warm and friendly farmers kitchen table ........be it wrapped around a calfs heart valve.
All depends on your beliefs I suppose.
edit….just add that I am aware the USA lacks regulation but feel sure it will apply the UK standard or similar rather quickly with this new admin.
The video isn’t available at the moment. No matter with dialup I need to let it download before watching.
Anyway it has been years since I have watched any kind of documentary on World War II but there was one on the ABC on Sunday. I had forgotten how subtely Hitler came to power. The conditions were just right for this madman to come to power. After coming to power Hilter started to eliminate anyone he thought could or would lead a resistance against him. He was very calculated and clever man. During this particualr documentary they also spoke about Stalin in the same manner. Both Stalin & Hilter ensured they had loyalty and anyone that looked remotely as being agianst their ideas etc.. were dealt with.
The documentary looked at how the Germans invaded Poland and took over towns one by one. First they would round up all the towns community leaders, the intellectuals, priests and any other men who could head a rebellion. They even went as far as killing teenage scout and girl guide leaders (children of about 15 years old) to make sure there were no potential resistance leaders amongst the population. Then they rounded up all the Jews and put them in ghettos and you know the story of what happened to them after this.
Now at first Hitler looked like any other politician, he wowed the German people with his promises of lifting them out of the depression they were in and providing for them a prosperous future. Hitler of course promised far more than that but that was enough for a nation which was poor and suffering, hungry and looking for some way out of their msiery. They embraced him at first. After it became clear that the cost of following this man was to kill and murder others to do so (including children) it was already too late. Any man in the Hitler forces that looked like disobeying orders would face the same fate as his victims.
I’m not surprised that many are wary of anyone who looks remotely like Hitler did in his early days. Why? Because by the time they actually understood what Hitler was truly about it was too late.
So if there are lots of people out their looking for the next Hitler I’m not surprised.
The Anti-Christ will come one day. I don’t play the guess who the Anti-Christ might be game, I don’t know. Before Obama came along they were saying Sarkozy and before him it was Tony Blair. Of course the favourite is always it will be a Pope. Many Popes over the years have been top of the list for being the Anti-Christ.
What does the Bible say that many anti-christs have come?
1JN 2:18 Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour. 19 They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.
1JN 2:20 But you have an anointing from the Holy One, and all of you know the truth. 21 I do not write to you because you do not know the truth, but because you do know it and because no lie comes from the truth. 22 Who is the liar? It is the man who denies that Jesus is the Christ. Such a man is the antichrist—he denies the Father and the Son. 23 No one who denies the Son has the Father; whoever acknowledges the Son has the Father also.
I’d say the Polish people saw the Roosevelt as the antichrist after the poles had lost about 12million of it’s population and at least 3million in death camps and then have Poland given over to Stalin was a bit of an insult and led to Polands continuing hardship and starvation.
Roosevelt was actually dying at that stage of negotiation of divying up europe with Stalin and the whole thing shouldn’t have happened. Roosevelt and Churchill couldn’t have cared less I think.
But we’ve all heard the Polish jokes .......has been the best propoganda to make us feel that they couldn’t be helped anyway.
The Polish peoples pain of their treatment over the years has been buried nicely in our history I notice….obvious by the way we never remember the biggest annihalation of the war.
.....was also an opportunity to punish the Magyar speaking peoples of Hungary for their perceived part in the two wars. That was the pettiest of all.
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