Catholic Priest, Father Kennedy in Brisbane

Hi all,

Just saw on the idiot box a story about a ‘rogue’ Catholic priest in Brisbane, Father Kennedy.

Prima Facie I would probably support his position taking a stand against the organisation of the Catholic Church, but then again I get a bit weary when priests/pastors/ministers go out on their own, because often they discover a ‘new faith’ and I don’t know how a follower of Christ can accept any theologically liberal position and still call themselves a Xtian.

Anyone care to comment on what’s been happening in Brisbane and perhaps has more information than is reported on the tv?

Cheers

Tim

 

I think you just need to read ALL the stories .....I’ve followed it for quite a while as Fr Kennedy is one of the few priests who openly supports victims of clergy paedophilia.
I can’t help but feel that this plays a greater part that Father Kennedy giving communion to divorcees :)
Priest must resign or face axe
......and there is two pages to this article ;)

Catholic Church continues support of sex-abuse priest

Double standards .......sexual abuse is petty compared to giving divorcees communion.

[ Edited: 23 February 2009 06:55 AM by michael scull]
 
Tim Stacey - 22 February 2009 06:10 PM

Prima Facie I would probably support his position taking a stand against the organisation of the Catholic Church, but then again I get a bit weary when priests/pastors/ministers go out on their own, because often they discover a ‘new faith’ and I don’t know how a follower of Christ can accept any theologically liberal position and still call themselves a Xtian.

Anyone care to comment on what’s been happening in Brisbane and perhaps has more information than is reported on the tv?

Would be inclined to agree.  Balance defying Catholicism which systematically denies the gospel as presented in the Bible, with disagreement over liberal stances.

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It is reasonable for the Roman Catholic Church to ensure that her priests do not act and teach against the church they claim to represent.

 

But David, isn’t it also true and reasonable to believe that if we always took that view we’d still be the centre of the universe.

Some of you may have heard .....we are not the centre of the universe!

and where does Charles Darwin come into this creationist view now?......more double talk.
I’d love to hear that one from a scientific angle .....but that’s right it’s about faith and belief…..not about science or truth.
How can anyone reconcile that in their heads ....I can’t or I’d be lying to myself.

So when a christian person does a biological or similar exam in todays world ........they must just learn the lies verbatim ........and then if they apply the theories in their work how do they write the findings seeing it’s all based on untruth??
It’s just getting too silly to contemplate.

and can I ask, In your world does the rain still follow the plough?......and how does that fit in with ‘global cooling’ and the current deep minima?

these and many other questions I always ask and most just walk off in case it’s contagious I suppose .....never get a straight answer to any of these questions.

I’ll applaud this old bloke Kennedy.  Among other things he has let women into the inner circle while the rest of his church wish to keep women in their place .......serving men.

Women is the biggy in all this….Bishop Morris is on the ropes for just suggesting women clergy in a letter to a friend.
Maybe this exclusion of women needs testing in the australian high court.


Catholics like to use and abuse them when they can
St Vinnies’ payout to woman sacked for not being Catholic
........then throw them out when it suits them.
anyway the Vinnies prefer boys .....obvious in their running of Stanislaus.


(some will say the last comment wasn’t called for….well I have news for you…..check the court list and you’ll see most of Vinnies priests are in court at the moment and at the same time raising funds on telly with their St Vincent De Paul ads for donations.
It sickens me when they spent $125,000 just of this womans court case in the article ...at the same time they are spending squillions defending their priests in court at the moment ....6 paedophile priests for starters…...and they are asking for money on the telly !!!!!!
....yeh I’m angryu again!!~!.....when I see the women behind the couter at Vinnies, I see my mother….always working for the Fathers she’s say with a big smile )

[ Edited: 26 February 2009 08:15 AM by michael scull]
 

Surely if you don’t agree with ANYTHING an organization stands for, you just leave; you don’t try to undermine everything they stand for and at the same time call yourself a member.
As far as I can tell, Father Kennedy doesn’t actually believe that God has any part in his (Kennedy’s) church. If you don’t think God has anything to do with it, you leave and set up your own organization and call it a social welfare group or a club, but NOT a Church. Kennedy wants the building, the name and the trappings of a Church without actually wanting any part of the belief system. Did he really say that the community would die if he left? That sounds supiciously cult-like.

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“As far as I can tell, Father Kennedy doesn’t actually believe that God has any part in his (Kennedy’s) church”

That’s a big step Jean, can I ask how you determined that God has no part of Fr. Kennedy’s church. From what I was taught in my early Catholic teaching was that Jesus especially follows these priests around.

 

Miranda Devine in today’s SMH :

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If you don’t like the rules, start your own church
Miranda Devine
February 26, 2009

Illustration: Edd Aragon
The Socialist Alliance posters outside St Mary’s Catholic Church in Brisbane said it all. “Dump Intolerance, not Father Kennedy.” “Who would Jesus sack?” The father in question is Peter Kennedy, the 70-year-old Catholic priest who is being forced out of the church he has turned into a green-leftist New Age drop-in centre.

He is refusing to leave the church he has presided over for 28 years, despite repeated entreaties by Archbishop John Bathersby, and has refused to change any part of the unorthodox and decidedly non-Catholic religious practice he has instituted.

Footage of Mass - or whatever it is - at St Mary’s on ABC-TV this week showed a pony-tailed man - not a priest - in a bright shirt waving around a giant Communion host in a haphazard way, while people sat on the floor at his feet. It looked more like a yoga session, with meditation and lay people taking to the pulpit to give “sermons” which have nothing to do with the Bible.

A weekend newspaper report recounted the “sermon” at one St Mary’s service which consisted of a reading from a letter from a supporter of Kennedy’s: “I don’t come to St Mary’s because it is a Catholic place of worship. I come because it has everything I seek in my own life - love, truth, authenticity, integrity, justice, unity, compassion, openness and friendship.” Quite a smorgasbord. The only problem is that St Mary’s is a Catholic place of worship - and has been since 1864.

Since Bathersby tried to pull him into line last August, Kennedy and his supporters have waged a canny public relations war against the church, with protest banners, press conferences, blogs and the archbishop’s pleading letters posted on the web.

“I take my authority from the people,” Kennedy told reporters. Not God? No wonder the Socialist Alliance loves him. Socialism regards religion as a “spiritual oppressor”, in the words of Lenin, who also said “Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism”.

It doesn’t matter which dupes the left uses to destroy organised religion, or how they commandeer the social justice work of well-meaning church people, the aim is never to foster religious practice or nourish a love of God.

So vehement are Kennedy’s supporters that opposition within the parish has been muted and mainly anonymous, with critics vilified as “extremists” doing the bidding of Rome, and not welcome at St Mary’s. So much for tolerance and inclusiveness.

The extremism appears to be on the other side, with threats to bomb Bathersby’s house and other provocations of which the archbishop complained in another letter to Kennedy.

“At times I am treated with scant respect [and there has been] abusive language of South Brisbane people directed over the past few months from the front gates of my house.”

Churchgoers horrified by Kennedy’s antics finally mustered the courage to officially complain to Bathersby and the Vatican last year, armed with footage of an unorthodox baptism. The baptism last September, which was posted on YouTube, shows Kennedy in plain clothes, saying. “We baptise you in the name of the creator, sustainer and liberator of life”, a form of words Kennedy had reportedly been told was not acceptable in the church.

Why Kennedy couldn’t go along with the religion which ordained him and use the official words: “I baptise you in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit” is anyone’s guess.

Egotism may play a part. After all, Kennedy claims “this community will die when I leave”. The fact he has been at St Mary’s for 28 years should ring alarm bells. Like a political leader, a church leader can be tempted by hubris if in power for too long.

Bathersby. who denies being influenced by the Vatican, has made several attempts to bring St Mary’s into line with church rules and teaching. Kennedy wasn’t being told to toss out gays or divorcees or take down the Aboriginal flag or stop feeding the homeless, just to behave like a Catholic priest and preach the beliefs of the Catholic Church, which include that Jesus is the son of God.

“While it is admirable to read that St Mary’s focuses on social justice its looseness of theology leaves much to be desired,” wrote Bathersby in one letter. But Kennedy refused to “budge an inch”. Instead of gently leading his flock back to the church, he likened himself to Jesus and made himself a martyr.

While you can feel pity for Bathersby, the mess is his own making. Having tolerated Kennedy’s antics for years, and having presided over the transformation of Brisbane into the most progressive and least disciplined archdiocese in the country, he can hardly be surprised by the result.

There are plenty of religions which have protested more effectively about Catholic authority than Kennedy - he should try them. Or he could establish his own religion. He has said if he is forced out he will take his flock with him: “The reality is that, if we are excluded from this church, the Trades and Labor Council have already offered us their place just down the road.”

Good luck to him. No one is forced to be a Catholic, and the church - as it has been for 2000 years - is thriving the world over, wherever it has remained true to its teachings. The thousands of young people who spontaneously went to Rome for the funeral of the very orthodox Pope John Paul II were not activists trying to dismantle the church. They are the future, not Kennedy’s outdated mumbo jumbo socialism.

http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/if-you-dont-like-the-rules-start-your-own-church-20090225-8hzb.html?page=-1

 

Kevin how did you get the picture with the text?

 

Nonetheless, the lack of action in the sexual abuse cases is a sorry contrast to the action against Father Kennedy.

 

Main thing is they got his Victims of Clergy Support Centre shut .......but don’t seem to see much about that in the media.
You can only wonder what the Toowoomba girls and their parents make of all this…..insignificant, at best!

[ Edited: 26 February 2009 02:14 PM by michael scull]
 

With Fr Kennedy (allegedly?) doing so many things out of line with Catholic practice, I don’t see how one could proove the real problem from the hierarchy’s point of view was his support for victims of clergy.  One might have one’s suspicions, I suppose.

[ Edited: 26 February 2009 03:44 PM by Ros Burgess]
 

When did emotional arguments against people in the Church, or teachings that individuals don’t like personally become cogent arguments for the non existence of God and/or the Truth of the Naturalistic Worldview?  Hmmm

 

Ros, Fr Kennedy and Chris Riley are the only two priest that I know of in australia thatactually come out and say the catholic church is hiding it’s paedophiles and concealing them from australian law.
Chris Riley has been cut off from the church and his own Order for these very reasons,
(Ros, ring Chris yourself and ask him ....and report back here with the findings…..Chris is very approachable and just use my name as an introduction .....(yes, tell him I told you to ring) )
...Chris stands beside the victim in court…..not supporting the paedophile priest ......but the victim .......tell me where that happens anywhere else in this catholic church.

I’d stand by Kennedy as he is the only light in a very very dark situation.

‘news’ Google Kennedy this morning .....the storys run to a few pages of googles listing.
Googling the 12 little girls at Toowoomba brought out a total of 3 stories world wide in the first week of the story breaking.

Tell me about how that can be correct in this fair country of australia ...........and I’ll tell you these catholic paedophiles are protected by the nations attitude…...among other things.

I remember when I exposed those paedos in Samoa who had run from australias police.
I used media from the USA as the aussie media were too scared to publish the story.
Check it if you like ......not one news group in aus published until after they published in the US

But scourge a priest with the blessing of the australian catholic church and watch the australian media go at it!
They are just another part of the reason .....the publics ignorance of the facts is the other.

Why is it that you guys read my story to 850 posts…....when it’s the same story of victims repeated every single day in australia and nothing happens .
Why the interest?
Is it because it reads like a spy novel with lies and deception at every turn?
But still the australian govt allows the Catholic Towards Healing process of mediation to continue.

and please try reading a factual report on Kennedy ......not the rags that overlook the truth for the sake of a good story.
Parish]http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/australian-news/5338467/parish-rallies-social-justice-rebel-priest/]Parish rallies for ‘social justice’ behind rebel priest

[ Edited: 27 February 2009 06:36 AM by michael scull]
 

and I want to commend Miranda for this paragraph especially ;)
“I take my authority from the people,” Kennedy told reporters. Not God? No wonder the Socialist Alliance loves him. Socialism regards religion as a “spiritual oppressor”, in the words of Lenin, who also said “Atheism is a natural and inseparable part of Marxism”.

beautifully misleading in its structure ......nobel prize material heheheheeeee!
Kennedy was talking about the bishop versus the people….not the inference made by Miranda.
She’s a piece of work hey?

[ Edited: 27 February 2009 07:06 AM by michael scull]
 

Last night I got started o another read of THE LAWYER AND THE LIBERTINE by Ian Callinan as I had a copy from when I was researching how things got this way
I have some other books of Callinans I’m sure, but after searching with a torch through books and books in cardboard boxes in a shipping container in the middle of a paddock for an hour or so I was happy to find this one ......I will resume the search today….in the day light :)

I’d suggest every women especially should read this book before looking any further as to how this Catholic heirarchy are dealing with Fr. Kennedy.
Gives you some insight into the workings of a fraternal system…...and the extreme lengths some will use to keep it that way.

.....and possibly why he has been selected for this mediation offered.

[ Edited: 27 February 2009 07:43 AM by michael scull]
 

A lot of this stuff seems to cut to the heart of what it means to be Catholic.

On the one side, it seems to be about the church as expressed through the priesthood and the sacraments.  Hence the priority to protect the priesthood.

On the other, about justice and mercy, which Fr Kennedy has been a representative of, as he understands it.  (If he has been consecrating gay marriage, as alleged, I don’t agree with that.)


Now these two are in collision.


This is my attempt to understand a catholic mindset.  As an Anglican with a Methodist background, I find that really hard to understand. 


I would think - from my mindset - if there’s such a problem, why not leave?  (This in regard to those who have been mistreated by the church hierarchy.)  But maybe this is a very protestant point of view?  If you’re a catholic, where can you go?

 
David McKay - 26 February 2009 12:32 PM

Kevin how did you get the picture with the text?

Hi David,

If you look to the left of the “message posting box” below you will see various “BB Code tips”.

Use the bottom one for placing images -  then just click on your image on another webpage - and ‘drag’ it into the slot between - and “voila !”

PS don’t just “copy and paste” the code as it appears - or you’ll end up somewhere else ! You need to just type in the first ( double ) bracket and the last ( double ) bracket - exactly as they appear with the ‘img’ and ‘/img’ in them.  DO NOT use the letters ( ”  ..image url.. ” ) which are listed in between the two sets of brackets - they are just a sample example. You may need to practise a bit - that’s what happened to me - but persistence pays off -  sometimes ;)

[ Edited: 27 February 2009 11:03 AM by Kevin Goddard]
 

I see Bishop Morris who works with Angel Ryan on the catholic NCPS has being dragged over the coals by the Pope for his mentioning/discussing women in catholic ministry. ‘we’re backing our bishop’
....strangely sounds the same as Father Kennedys flock :)

then I trip over this old story about Angela Ryan ‘s run in with the then Cardinal Ratzinger.
These two share Chair and Co-Chair of the Catholic NCPS
......no wonder they all sound a bit stressed when I speak with them on the phone.

See even these brides of christ are starting to stretch their legs a bit now they have automatic washing machines .....having the extra time they are now looking for a piece of the action and want to mix it with the big boys.

Kennedy is getting crucified by the media ......while it looks like his immediate superior and those around him are kicking goals as well.

[ Edited: 12 March 2009 02:51 PM by michael scull]
 
 
     

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