Examples of genuine church growth

Hey all,

I’m having an ongoing debate with my senior pastor over a change of strategy for our church. Like most churches, I can count on one hand the amount of people who have become Christians in our church in the last 6 years(the vast majority of growth coming from transfer). I want to spearhead this change with something much more bold and aggressive rather than continuing with ‘business as usual’, aiming to double our numbers with a substantial proportion of that through conversion in two years. I also suggested something like the 10 in 2 strategy mentioned on the Sola Panel.

My pastor’s response was ‘well, find me any churches who are doing something like that and then we’ll talk seriously’. So I want to know which churches you guys know of that have had growth within their church from evangelism that is more substantial than 1 new convert every 1.5 years or whatever (which is quite appalling when you think about it).

 

Hi Lee,
I think our small suburban church is at something like 3 a year, depending on the exact year. ;-)

But this is all God’s kindness, we’re not really exceptional.

A few factors:

* We have close ties with the North Epping community given the way Roger hosted the community counselling after the Lin family murders a year ago.

* We have also hosted many ‘non-evangelistic’ bridge building events over the last few years: say one every 6 months. North Epping is surrounded by the Pennant Hills Bush reserve. There’s only 1 road into the community, so we don’t get drive through traffic. It’s just us. Community events matter. Even if people don’t attend they take note that North Epping Anglican or “All Saints” has hosted ‘non-preachy’ events like parenting courses, counselling services, etc.

* The church camp each November is a community and relationship building time, with only the Sunday morning devoted to preaching. It’s about relationships. The gospel is definitely there, but it is in the lives of our members relating to each other: not dominating the program like a seminar. The weekend is clearly about relationships.

* We have a few really good evangelistic meetings during the year. One of the best was the ‘Men’s BBQ secrets’ night where the local gourmet butcher did a gourmet cooking night mixed with a butchery demonstration. The front of the church looked like we were going Old Testament. A cow was split in 2, we hung the halves of the cow out the front, on the left and right of the stage. We also had a beer tasting test with paper work to fill out and small sample cups of beer coming out. We had to guess the beer, describe the taste, and then label it in preference. They were only small shots of beer, but the point was that we had about 8 of them, and then received a whole glass of our favourite beer at the end. (Total of about 2 beers over the whole evening).

* This BBQ night was CLEARLY advertised as having a 20 minute gospel talk in it, and cost about $20 to attend. Community members PAID to turn up and hear the gospel! This was partly out of respect for our great butcher, and partly out of respect for All Saints church and all we have done.

* We also get transfer growth, but off the top of my head I can think of a few couples who have become Christians in the last few years.

* Growth has tapered off due to the fact that our 9:45 family service is pretty well ‘full’. So we’re now trying to split about half the 9:45 family service off to join the previous 8am prayer book service. The times are being rejigged as well. This means from here on in families have to commit to either the new 9am service or new 10:30 service. It is a big change, and many of us will be pushed out of our comfort zones and have to help out with running 2 creche’s, 2 Sunday schools, and 2 family services rather than just 1 family service (and 1 tiny, sleepy, 8am prayer book service).

All I can say Lee is if there’s a good strategy spelt out on the Sola panel, try that. If your church circumstances change, try something else. The important thing about a strategy is to have one. It doesn’t really matter which one. As long as you are biblically faithful and true to the gospel, and trying to serve the needs of your congregation and community, God will do the rest. Trust in Him, not the strategy. The risk is serving GROWTH not the gospel. We don’t want that. Don’t adopt that American mindset that ‘bigger is always, always better’. It depends on the cost. Having debated you on greenie stuff in other threads, I get the impression you’re concerned for the gospel and won’t fall into that mistake though.

(PS: You could always come back into the peak oil thread and have a go at answering the top 10 questions challenge I’ve left for you. ;-)

[ Edited: 20 October 2010 08:36 AM by Dave Lankshear]
 

PS: Apparently Sydney Anglican’s grew by 5% last year!

http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/life/daytoday/surprised_by_extent_of_growth/#18835

 

The FOCUS ministry at my uni has a huge growth. The secrets as I see it? Food, incredibly loving people who give up lots of their week for the visitors, and international students who aren’t apatheists.

I don’t know what can be done for the typical Australian apatheist. I guess pray that God will shatter their self-reliance and be there for them when he does.

 

apatheist?

is that ‘apathetic atheist’?

 

More someone who doesn’t even care enough to decide whether they believe in a god or not.

 

Hi Dave,

I did see that article on the SydAng website. When I first thought about more ambitious growth strategies, I thought of the 10% target that the Sydney Diocese set for themselves and I’m stoked that they have had a conservative estimation of growth of 5%.

The argument that my senior pastor has raised is that if we embraced the 10 in 2 thing (which is every person works and prays to see 10 non-Christians saved in 2 years) is that it is pie-in-the-sky and so we might as well aim for 1000 in 2 as if everyone actually saw 10 people they knew become Christians, it would be a revival unseen for hundreds of years.

His alternative is seems to be continue with business as usual, which is quite simply pathetic. Can we honestly say that God wants to have an ambition to see maybe one person a year become a Christian? I cannot believe that is truly God-honouring. It is better we aim high and fail to achieve our target (but still get better growth than before) than aim underwhelmingly low and just barely dribble across the line.

I’m not suggesting a growth at any cost strategy - that would just as foolish as our current method. However, in every example of history of God doing amazing works of salvation (be it in the Bible or not), it has been totally unexpected so I reckon if we be ambitious and aim high, we shouldn’t be surprised that it wasn’t predictable. God has no interest in doing what we could reasonably claim as our own - he only acts for his glory (as what happened with Gideon and his 10000 strong army shows).

I suppose I’m chasing after churches that have aimed high deliberately and have acted accordingly, trusting in God to do the heavy lifting of salvation. This all stems from hearing Richard Coekin talking about his group of churches are aiming to plant 100 churches in London within 50 years, which is pretty ambitious.

P.S. No Dave, I don’t think I will throw myself into the war of attrition that is the peak oil thread. I’m quite happy for you to have that one all to yourself, along with the World Government thread.

 

I suppose I’m chasing after churches that have aimed high deliberately and have acted accordingly, trusting in God to do the heavy lifting of salvation. This all stems from hearing Richard Coekin talking about his group of churches are aiming to plant 100 churches in London within 50 years, which is pretty ambitious.

Where does God promise to do this though? I see promises that His Kingdom (the church) will never end, and that one day He will return and fix everything. But the in-between bits? I’m vague on what God has actually promised for church growth.

As I take it, we are promised power to be witnesses (Acts 1:8), not converters. God’s word will not return empty but just as some will become Christians, others will harden their hearts to the gospel — which is also the work of the gospel. (To some the scent of life, odour of death, and all that).

 

God never promises anywhere that we are guaranteed church growth and anyone that does say that God does is a fool. However (and its a big however), I believe God wants us to be ambitious and active in the work of the preaching the gospel, which I think is something lacking in our churches.

The response of everyone in the Bible who took on an ambitious task for God was to trust in his sovereign power to achieve his purposes. I don’t see how we should be any different. Should we be actively working to save everyone in our communities through the preaching of the gospel? The Bible says yes. Does God want to save all? Yes. Will all be saved? No. How will he save them? Through the preaching of his powerful gospel. It isn’t too far a stretch to ask that if we’re wanting to see all saved, then we need to have a plan and a goal.

Too often we say that God wants to save people but we never act like that is a reality. We act like it is incidental and rare when really we should expect that God is willing to act here as he has in the past and as he is all over the world now. Who is to say God isn’t just waiting for us to get our act together and be hungry to see people saved? I can’t say and nor can you. We have Stockholm Syndrome to the weak-arse growth of the church and the culture that comes with it.

I say we need to set our sights a little higher because I have no doubt that God wants us to be eager to see people coming into his kingdom, which is why growth through evangelism is important. Faithfulness and success shouldn’t be set against each other, which happens so often as a self-pitying excuse in evangelical churches. If we’re actually striving hard to be witnesses, then I see nowhere in the Bible where we shouldn’t expect people to becoming Christians.

If we undertake a massive effort to evangelise Australia and nothing happens, then God be praised but we don’t expend even 1% of the effort that you could honestly say we should to see Australia evangelised.

 

If we undertake a massive effort to evangelise Australia and nothing happens, then God be praised but we don’t expend even 1% of the effort that you could honestly say we should to see Australia evangelised.

That’s a bit harsh. 1 Corinthians explains that not all of us are born evangelists. I certainly don’t feel like one. I did my bit in Scripture teaching the last 4 years, but am taking a break this year due to burnout and needing a career change. Who are you to judge whether people in our church are in my situation… just needing to be ministered to for a while as life beats them from various directions? There are seasons to life. My family had some fairly costly decisions to make as a result of “Connect 09” last year. This year is our season to try and regroup. Rest is a biblical principle too you know.

 

Something evangelist / minister John Dickson was just asking on Facebook that appears quite interesting and pertinent to this thread…

Question for all: where does Paul tell us all Christians should ‘witness’ or try to evangelise their neighbours?

Another one: was the Great Commission for the disciples specifically or all Christians?

Sharing the gospel with unbelievers is obviously important: it is the whole thrust of the bible. But how and who? I’m wondering if we are all really meant to be little Peter’s with ‘an answer for everyone who asks’ or was that the job of an Apostle?

 

Hi Dave,
       
This is how I see it, although some might consider it evangelical heresy:
         
The great commission was to the church, which is a body of many parts.  Some are evangelists, gospel entrepreneurs.  They are the ones who go out and make opportunities.  Others are different, have other gifts.  But all should support the church’s mission, in various ways.
         
1 Peter was written to all Christians, so we should all ‘always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks…’  This is taking opportunities, not necessarily making them.  Also it’s just plain being faithful to the Lord.  But does anyone ask?  Not often!  Otoh I’m sure many Christians need to be more open about our faith. 
         
Re Paul, off the top of my head, mostly he asks people for their prayers and support in his mission, with his hand-picked colleagues.  And I don’t recall him lambasting his churches for not being evangelical enough - more for heresy and gross immorality and infighting etc. etc.  I’ve heard said that he didn’t need to rebuke them for not evangelising because they were -but I really don’t buy that one, considering all the mischief the early Christians got up to.
         
Imo evangelicals in recent times got caught up in cultural individualisation, saying everyone should be an evangelist because that’s the commission.  More recently we’ve heard phrases like ‘hunting in packs’.  A better understanding to my mind takes into account an understanding of the church as a body and community.
     
Come to think of it, that’s probably something like what you’re church is doing with its community focus. 
     
Hi Lee,
   
Commiserations on your frustrating senior pastor.  You’re in ministry training of some sort?

 

One question we must ask is whether the NT means the same thing by “evangelist” that we do…

Some points:
Ezekiel 33:8-9
Ephesians 6:15
There is the issue of persecution, for example in 2 Tim 3:12, Col 1:24.
What kind of disciple wouldn’t be overflowing with love for God and love for other people? Luke 6:45 Mark 8:38

Lastly, what reasons would there be for not everyone to evangelise? Not all of us have the gift of faith, must we must all exercise faith. Not all have the gift of giving, but we must all give. Not all have the gift of teaching, but most will at some time be in a situation where they have the responsibility to teach well. Not all have the gift of prophecy but all will prophesy. Not all have the gift of evangelism…

[ Edited: 22 October 2010 10:50 AM by Dannii Willis]
 
 
     

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