Same Sex Adoptions

News has just come through that this controversial bill has been passed by 46 votes to 44 in the NSW Lower House. Will have to see what happens in the NSW Upper House.

Premier Kristina Keneally had some interesting insights into interpreting Scripture and ‘the Gospel’ yesterday in arriving at her ‘yes’ vote. You can see her comments ( at 6.04pm ) in Wednesday’s Hansard debate at :

[url=http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/8bd91bc90780f150ca256e630010302c/e64c87e37e1e0082ca2577920006204f?OpenDocument
]NSW HAnsard 1/9/10[/url]

I see that Barry O’Farrell spoke in support of the bill to allow same-sex couples to adopt children, saying the current system is discriminatory :


Barry O’Farrell

 

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Lower House MPs back same-sex adoption bill

From: AAP       September 02, 2010 1:01PM

NSW LOWER house MPs have voted in support of a bill to allow same-sex couples to adopt children. After two days of debate in the Legislative Assembly, 46 MPs voted in favour of the bill, while 44 voted against it.

The bill, introduced by independent Sydney MP Clover Moore, would allow same-sex couples to adopt a child together.  Reintroducing the bill on Wednesday, Ms Moore included an amendment that gives church adoption agencies the right to refuse services to same-sex couples without breaching anti-discrimination laws.

Premier Kristina Keneally, Opposition Leader Barry O’Farrell and Nationals leader Andrew Stoner had allowed the MPs a conscience vote on the contentious issue.  Ms Keneally and Mr O’Farrell both supported the bill, while Mr Stoner indicated he would not back it.

The bill will now go to the upper house, where it will again be debated.

Earlier today Mr O’Farrell spoke in support of the bill, saying the current system is discriminatory. Speaking during a debate in parliament this morning, the Opposition leader said he supported the bill, introduced by independent MP Clover Moore. However, he added the issue was a matter of gay rights but of removing discrimination in the adoption act in the best interests of children.

“I support this measure today ... for the sake of children but also because I don’t believe our society should exclude because of gender, sexuality, faith, background or some other factor, people who have a contribution they can make,” he said. “That’s not the free and confident society I seek.”

The same-sex adoption bill was reintroduced on Wednesday by Ms Moore to include amendments, which give church adoption agencies the right to refuse services to same-sex couples without breaching anti-discrimination laws.

Mr O’Farrell said he supported the amendments. “I support the right of faith-based adoption agencies to be able to reflect their teachings,” he said. Speaking to the lower house on Wednesday night, Premier Kristina Keneally also backed the changes.

“In forming my position on this bill, I have considered my experiences as a mother, my responsibilities as a parliamentarian, and my conscience as a Christian and member of the Catholic faith,” Ms Keneally said.

Mr O’Farrell admitted the debate had been a difficult one and said he believed the ideal setting for bringing up a child was with a loving mother and father. However, he said heterosexual couples were not the only family type in the community.

“Like many other speakers I believe that the ideal setting to bring up a child is a loving and stable family environment with both a mother and a father present,” Mr O’Farrell said.

“It is the environment in which most of us, if not all in this place, have been raised.  It is the ideal and not the only family type that exists in our community - there are many others from which young people emerge confidently and capable of making their contribution to our community.

“The question for those of us concerned about the interests of the child in this debate is why should certain couples, because of sexual preference, not be eligible to be assessed according to laws and regulations that by any measure place child wellbeing at the centre of decision-making.”

Opposition health spokeswoman and deputy Liberal leader Jillian Skinner said she supported the bill but it had been a difficult decision.

Ms Skinner said she felt she was grateful that she, her children and grandchildren were in the position to be brought up in loving families.  “However, to suggest the only place for a child to be nurtured and cared for is in a house with a mum and dad is not right,” she told parliament.

 

You can read what Barry O’Farrell said in the House this morning at :

http://www.nsw.liberal.org.au/news/special-mention/comments-by-barry-ofarrell-on-clover-moores-same-sex-adoption-bill.html

 

Couldnt find the link in the papers, but on channel 9 news, I saw our Premier Kristina Kenneally , say that she decided to vote for the bill after looking at what the bible says.

She said the verses which said that we should love God, and love each other led her to support the bill.

Is premier Kenneally ignoring any other parts of Scripture by focusing on these verses? Are there any reasons not to support the bill based on other parts of scripture?

As one wag said, “I dont care about legalising homosexuality, as long as they don’t make it compulsory”.  LOL

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Hi Ken,

For about 3 decades I joked that there was a gay agenda to first make it legal, then acceptable - and finally compulsory. Maybe I wasn’t off the mark after all.

I tried to post Keneally’s Hansard speech link in the opening post, here it is again :

( Keneally was the 8th speaker at 6.04pm )

http://www.parliament.nsw.gov.au/prod/parlment/hansart.nsf/8bd91bc90780f150ca256e630010302c/e64c87e37e1e0082ca2577920006204f?OpenDocument

If you still can’t connect with that link, send me a PM with your email address, and I can forward her speech to you.

 

From Peter Kell’s article in smh

It is important to consider that the proposed amendment as it stands does not distinguish between ‘‘known’’ and ‘‘unknown’’ adoptions. This is a vital distinction when considering the best interests of a child.
All the examples of same-sex parenting cited by those in favour of the amendment refer to known adoptions, where a child is already part of a family unit in which the parenting role is undertaken by a same-sex couple.

There may be instances where it might be in the best interests of a child already in a relationship with a carer for adoption to occur with the consent, as required, of the child’s biological parents.

However, the amendment also applies where a child or infant is unknown to the prospective adoptive parents. In this instance, the best interests of children would be served by seeking to provide them with the optimal care offered by both a mother and a father.

 
http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/society-and-culture/opposing-samesex-adoption-is-not-bigoted-20100901-14nhm.html
 
Kristina Keneally, from the Hansard link:

I know as a parliamentarian that three groups of children in New South Wales are currently vulnerable under existing adoption laws and that this amendment would help address that vulnerability. The first group are children who currently live in a family with two same-sex parents where one of the parents is not fully recognised under the law. They are currently denied legal and material benefits flowing from adoption, including confirming the child’s entitlement to inheritance if their parent dies and providing certainty about custody if one parent dies. This puts these children in a vulnerable position.

The second group are children who are fostered by same-sex couples but cannot be adopted by their foster parents. This is a particularly vulnerable group of children. They can no longer be cared for by their birth parents. What we know is that for children in this situation the stability of adoption by their foster parents provides the best possible chance for their development, their health, their wellbeing and their education. A third and much smaller group are children who are adopted after their birth parents have relinquished them. I am advised that last year in New South Wales there were only 20 such adoptions. This legislation would make it legal for these children to be adopted by same-sex parents. However, under the Adoption Act the views of the relinquishing parents must be considered in relation to what is in the best interest of the child. This includes any views regarding same-sex parenting. The proposed legislation makes no change in this regard.

 
So the bill was promoted along the lines of formalising and giving legitimacy and permanency and legal status to existing care relationships. 
   
The third group cited by the Premier would include the ‘unknown’ adoptions cited by Peter Kell - although not all would be unknown.  Only twenty of these in the last year.  On the face of it, it seems good that parents don’t relinquish their children, but I think it represents a huge number of abortions, and many children who are brought up in bad circumstances.  I know that’s a tangent, but I just wanted to say.  The lunatics have taken over the asylum.

[ Edited: 03 September 2010 12:13 AM by Ros Burgess]
 
 
     

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