Faith healers

Great story on Media Watch: Popoff Pops Up Again

Faith healers, being the charlatans they are, make me mad. Sad to see such a scam artist given air time here, even if it is in dead hours.

It’s fascinating to think how much air time these guys do get on Australian, early hours, free to air TV.

There would still be thousands of Australians watching - it’s a shame there isn’t better, non-scammy Australian actually-Christian content instead. It would possibly be the biggest single congregation out there.

I remember seeing stats published on Anglican Media’s old TV broadcasts = they reached a phenomenal amount of people.

For all the hype around new technologies, good old TV still commands a huge audience, it’s just a shame it’s being squandered on out-and-out scam artists selling “miracle spring water”.

[ Edited: 27 November 2009 09:58 AM by Luke Stevens]
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Seems like we missed out on LAST year’s miracle model. Then they were offering ‘free’ MIRACLE MANNA. Did they lose the recipe ? Or did it lose it’s miracle working power ? And BTW I believe they all now pay for their air time. And why not - it is a business after all !

Speaking of such tele-evangelist entrepreneurs, I happened to be up early the other day and noticed an ad for Benny Hinn coming to the Sydney Entertainment Centre ( at no small cost ) for two days in mid May…....  “Open your wallets and say after me - help yourself !  “

 

We discussed Popoff on the old forum site :

18 October 2008 01:48 AM
You might find     http://www.apostasywatch.com    useful.

Thanks for that link. Loved that photo - unfortunately, it’s all so true these days.

I was surprised that there was one name missing from their list - that of Peter Popoff. Now not many folk know about him here is Australia - and the only reason I heard of him was that earlier this year his “Peter Popoff Miracle Ministry” show ‘popped up’ on Sydney’s Channel 9 about 3 or 4am weekday mornings for about a month or so. The highlight of the show was a free offer of a slice of ‘miracle manna’ that they would mail to you - and then you ate a bit each day to help you get your ‘miracle’ - or some such.

**Miracle manna

On that page you can also get a free copy of his book “God has promised you DIVINE WEALTH…”
What his site does NOT tell you is this information from Wikopedia :

Peter Popoff (born July 2, 1946) is a German-born U.S. televangelist known as a faith healer. He performs crusade services on national television which include laying on of hands. His ministry is based in Upland, California, and is funded through donations. A widely popular minister in the 1980s, he went bankrupt in 1987 after James Randi andSteve Shaw debunked his methods by showing that instead of receiving information about audience members fromsupernatural sources, he received it through his wife, via an in-ear receiver.[1]

In 2005 he received his own share of “Divine Wealth” with a ‘compensation” ( = salary ) of $628,732, his wife $203,029, son Nickolas $182,166 and daughter Amy $176,290. How simply divine is that ! I’m so glad that they’re not just in “ministry” for the money.

**Financial report

Read the Wikopedia article for more details such as this :
Popoff’s shows also featured audience members who were brought on stage in wheelchairs and then rose dramatically to walk without support. Two in particular were celebrities Kyle Ellsworth and Petrina Dy. These were some of Popoff’s most incredible “healings,” but what believing audience members and television viewers did not know was that wheelchairs were used by Popoff to seat people who were already able to walk.[3]

**Peter the Wolf ?

Indeed we have been warned :
“Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves” - Matthew 7:15

You can find the original links to the three ** articles on the forum at :
http://www.sydneyanglicans.net/forums/viewthread/3355/P30/

 

Speaking of Benny Hinn, I found out today how he rates - after stumbling on http://blogs.sunherald.com.au/whoweare/archives/2009/04/the_who_we_are_33.html ...

212 THIS IS YOUR DAY WITH BENNY HINN Ten 7,000 4,000 0 0 0 2,000

Seems like Sydneysiders and Perthies buy more into that kind of stuff!

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I’m not sure if it was Poppoff but there was a long story a few years ago about a Postal Worker that used to record all these radio messages. He became known around the healing gigs, so he used to dress in disguise, sometimes even cross-dressing and pretending to be a woman with bladder problems after the last pregnancy was so rough, etc etc etc.

It was just so funny (and sad at the same time) to see the faith healer call out the “woman’s” name and he/she would get so excited, and run down the front to be ‘healed’ only to sometimes have them look up in horror when they finally (too late) recognised who it was they’d just invited on stage. This, of course, was AFTER saying “Marianne, who lives at…. wait, the Holy Spirit is telling me…. 195 President drive, is here with bladder control problems…. and it’s been causing her grief for years… Marianne, come out the front to RECEIVE YOUR HEALING!”

Then HE walks up on stage… with his radio intercept somewhere in a parked car nearby or in his handbag. Incredibly sad, and fits right into the New Testament’s warnings about some having the “appearance of godliness for financial gain”.

 

Here’s some examples :

James Randi Debunks Peter Popoff Faith Healer -
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7BQKu0YP8Y


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Wolves/peter_popoff.htm

Peter Popoff EXPOSED ! .....

By David J. Stewart

Peter Popoff is a false prophet !!!  His website is at   http://www.peterpopoff.org.  Peter Popoff promotes his Miracle Water.  Sadly, many people have fallen victim to this blatant scam.  Popoff’s TV show uses lures of a better job, better health, and more money to sucker people into sending him a donation.  It is tragic that greedy men stoop so low as to exploit the name of Jesus, but this is what Peter Popoff, Don Stewart, Mike Murdock, Benny Hinn, Pat Robertson, Robert Tilton, James Robison, and others are doing.  Read what the Word of God warns us concern these evil men…

“But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. And many shall follow their pernicious ways; by reason of whom the way of truth shall be evil spoken of. And through covetousness shall they with feigned words make merchandise of you: whose judgment now of a long time lingereth not, and their damnation slumbereth not.” ―2nd Peter 2:1-3

Matthew 7:22-23 reveals that many false prophets do exploit the NAME of Jesus…

“Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.”

These false prophets did all that they did IN JESUS’ NAME; YET, they went to Hellfire, because they didn’t do the WILL OF GOD concerning salvation.  Ye must be born again!  All we hear from greedy televangelists today is promises of health, wealth, and prosperity if we’ll just send in a donation, plant a financial seed in their ministry, or buy something from them.  It was this very same shenanigans that angered the Lord in John 2:14-16…

“And found in the temple those that sold oxen and sheep and doves, and the changers of money sitting: And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers’ money, and overthrew the tables; And said unto them that sold doves, Take these things hence; make not my Father’s house an house of merchandise.”

Christianity began as a personal relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ.  When it went to Greece it became a philosophy.  When Christianity went to Rome it became an organization.  When it spread throughout Europe it became a culture.  And when Christianity came to America it became a business.  This is so tragic!  Whether it be Mike Murdock begging for a $58 “uncommon seed,” or Peter Popoff begging for people to purchase his Miracle Water, God condemns turning Christianity into a business.

Peter Popoff also speaks in demonic Charismatic tongues, making a mockery of God’s power through fraudulent healing services.  In these services people fall back onto the floor, jumping up and down like idiots.  Popoff’s greatly promotes his Miracle Spring Water, promising special healing and blessings to those who purchase and drink it.  Of course, this is of the Devil.  Watching a Peter Popoff crusade is similar to watching a freak game show.  The music is ridiculous.  I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again―why don’t these Charismatic healers restore any amputees?  It’s because they can’t.  The alleged healings are always limited to unseen illnesses.  The truth is that NONE of those fakes can heal anyone!

One theme is repeated over and over by the lying televangelists―money, money, money.  It’s all about money to them.  If you’re stupid, or just plain ignorant, you’ll send them money.  Please do not send them any money.

Peter Popoff is an imposter, who ought to be ashamed of himself for exploiting the name of Jesus to make money.

I really wonder why the Dept of Fair Trading don’t take him to court for his frauds.

Edited to add this 2008 update :

I googled “Peter Popoff exposed” and found this link to last year’s “Inside Edition” episode on US TV :

Peter Popoff Exposed by James Randi on Inside Edition ( Sept 2008 ) :
http://www.archive.org/details/PeterPopoffExposed

He was then offering “FREE LARGER miracle spring water” plus a bag of sacred Dead Sea salt - which turned out to be just ordinary salt packets that you can get at any restaurant.

False prophet - or just a plain conman ? He oughta be in jail. Shame on Channel 9 for their part in this fraud being perpetrated against their gullible viewers.

[ Edited: 04 May 2009 08:58 AM by Kevin Goddard]
 

I don’t want to start a new thread, { Perhaps Luke could rename this thread as “False teachers” or similar }  so - as Benny Hinn has already been mentioned - I am linking here to an astounding article from “The Wittenburg Door” written in May 2008. It makes frightening reading - but here goes :

http://www.wittenburgdoor.com/why-benny-hinn-became-our-wacky-neighbor


Why Benny Hinn Became Our Wacky Neighbor      By John Bloom   20/5/2008

................. “All we want is for Benny Hinn to make good on promises he made to me in 1993,” says Ole Anthony, president of the Christian watchdog organization. “He promised he would stop airing fake healings, that he would medically verify all healings, that he would wait six months after the healing before putting it on TV, to make sure it was authentic. He said he would do all these things, and he’s done none of them. It would also be nice if he would submit himself to a real theologian for examination. Some of his teachings are off the scale, even bordering on necromancy.”

What the heck is Benny Hinn doing in Dallas?

It’s weird. It was weird when he announced he was moving to Dallas in 1999, pretty much abandoning his church congregation in Florida. It was weirder still when he announced that God had ordered him to build a $30 million World Healing Center in Irving, making it sound like a combination theme park and New Age miracle spa. The way he laid it out, it would be a sort of shrine to famous faith healers of the past, complete with “stereophonic statue gardens,” as well as a Holy Ghost Mayo Clinic for the halt, the lame and the afflicted. I had visions of wheelchair-bound hordes being lifted off jumbo jets at DFW Airport and convoying their way over to Las Colinas, like pilgrims pouring into a Disneyworld version of Lourdes. Isn’t this the kind of thing that belongs in Tulsa?

Fortunately, God changed his mind in the summer of 2002 and told Hinn not to build the healing center after all, even though he had spent two years collecting donations for it. (God was apparently vague about what Hinn should do with the money. The county tax assessor was less vague, telling Hinn it was unlikely that his tax exemption would survive theme-park ownership.) Hinn said it was just a timing matter. God wants the healing center, but he didn’t want it right then. (Since the only other building the Almighty is known to have ordered is the Temple at Jerusalem, maybe He’s just unimpressed with Irving.) Hinn finally said he would keep his headquarters in Dallas because the central location saves him money…......

And then there’s this incredible claim :

.....But there’s an even darker side to Hinn and his organization. In 1998 two members of his inner circle died of heroin overdoses. In 1999, after one of his many vows of reform, he fired several board members and hired an ex-cop named Mario C. Licciardello to do an internal investigation of his ministry. Licciardello was the brother of Carman, who is sort of the Engelbert Humperdinck of Christian singers, so many think Hinn considered him “safe.” But Licciardello did such a good job—taking hundreds of depositions and getting to the bottom of the heroin use—that Hinn then sued him. While Licciardello was still his head of security, Hinn’s organization filed a lawsuit demanding that all his files be turned over and sealed, because their public release could result in the end of the ministry. Licciardello was a police investigator with 25 years of experience, and he felt like his whole career was being smeared, so he fought back with his own lawyers. His counsel continually tried to take Hinn’s deposition, but Hinn fought him at every step. The judge, however, ruled against him and said that, if Hinn intended to enjoin Licciardello, he would have to make himself available for questioning.

On the very day that Hinn was supposed to give his deposition in the case, Licciardello had a mysterious heart attack and died. The Hinn organization made an out-of-court settlement with Licciardello’s widow, which included sealing the court papers.

The U.S. Attorney in Orlando had seated a secret Grand Jury to investigate Hinn; but Licciardello was the chief witness. After his death, Hinn was no-billed…..

Here’s more eye boggling stuff :

..... Hinn runs the largest evangelistic organization in the world that is not a member of the Evangelical Council for Financial Accountability. That means his finances are private, his salary is secret, and his income is anybody’s guess. Royalties from his books alone are estimated at $500,000 per year, but he essentially has carte blanche to take anything out of the till he wants. “He lives the lifestyle of a billionaire,” says Ole Anthony, “all on the backs of false promises and selling false hope.”

As Hinn put it himself, in a moment of rare revelatory candor, “I don’t need gold in heaven, I gotta have it now.”

During 1993, his one year of “reform,” he talked about being stung by being portrayed as a millionaire and how he wanted to be “more Christ-like.” His solution: “The Lord said sell the Benz and the watch.”

He got rid of his Rolex and his Mercedes. Notice he didn’t give them away. He sold them—and then replaced the Mercedes with a $65,000 BMW. This is what God told him to do. And who better to know what God wants, because Hinn, after all, is only the third person in the history of the universe to have actually seen God and lived to tell about it. God, he says, is 6-2 or 6-3, with long hair of a light brown color, and eyes that can look right through you…..

Interestingly I see that Koorong still lists a lot of his books and CDs - including ( a total of ) over 300 copies of his latest title being available among all their stores.

However, you can also ask them to order in the only listed title critical of Hinn ( that I could see ) - “The Confusing World Of Benny Hinn” - which might take 11 to 13 weeks to special order. [ However, you can receive it in about a week from Amazon for just $US7 + postage. ] The forward to this book includes :

“All over the world, record-breaking crowds of up to a million eager seekers after the miraculous gather expectantly to witness the open display of supernatural power which Benny Hinn pretends to have at his command. ... His devastating effect upon gullible believers who are easily led astray, is more than sufficient reason for the authors of this book to present us with the terrible truth about Benny Hinn,” writes Dave Hunt in the forward of Personal Freedom Outreach’s revised, expanded and updated volume on faith healer Benny Hinn.

Whatever happened to “discernment” by “Christian” booksellers - and ‘everyday’ Christians too for that matter ?

 

I’m facing it everywhere Kevin. The gullible seem to feel that it is uncharitable to ‘tear down’ these ministries, and that ‘surely someone has been blessed by them’. I seriously feel ill for the state of our church when I realise just how many people still support Benny Hinn. Haven’t they even read his wiki?

 

My pastor Albert Garlando dissed Benny Hinn for the miracle water thing during last Sunday’s sermon lol…

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Even his own wife can’t stand him !

  Fri, Feb. 19 2010       Benny Hinn ‘Shocked’ by Divorce Papers
 
By Audrey Barrick   Christian Post Reporter

After more than 30 years of marriage, faith healer Benny Hinn may be heading to divorce court.

Benny Hinn Ministries on Thursday confirmed that his wife, Suzanne Hinn, filed a petition for divorce in Orange County Superior Court on Feb. 1. She cited irreconcilable differences.

Though the couple separated on Jan. 26, according to court papers, the organization released a statement expressing shock.

“Pastor Benny Hinn and his immediate family were shocked and saddened to learn of this news without any previous notice,” said Don Price, longtime senior advisor to Benny Hinn Ministries.  “Although Pastor Hinn has faithfully endeavored to bring healing to their relationship, those efforts failed and were met with the petition for divorce that was filed without notice.”

Just months before the petition, world renowned and controversial preacher Benny Hinn had come out to the public to answer his critics for the first time.

For years, Hinn has been a subject of scrutiny by the media and recently the government for the miraculous healings he claims to perform and the lavish lifestyle he leads. He travels to cities across the globe conducting “miracle crusades” and services. Reports from each event indicate that dozens are miraculously healed from a physical ailment, though Hinn admitted to ABC News recently that he doesn’t have medical verification of the healings.

He also told ABC he has no misgivings about the comfortable lifestyle – a private jet, fancy hotel stays, and a multimillion-dollar home – he leads.

“Look, you know there’s this idea supposedly that we preachers are supposed to walk about with sandals and ride bicycles. That’s nonsense,” he said.

Hinn is currently under a Senate investigation for possible financial misconduct.

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[null]Bird's eye view of how we go tweet, tweet, tweetThe Australian[{}]BEER lovers, fans of Justin Bieber, evangelical groups and Adelaide foodies are among the most isolated groups on Twitter. But discussions about politics, the internet and the price of gas bills were some of the most connected topics, according to a ...